Amiga 1200: A Year Post Retr0brite Update and New Case

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In this video, I talk about my experience with retrobrighting my Amiga approximately one year ago and show you how much it has yellowed again. I also take a close look at one of the new Kickstarter cases and put my Amiga 1200 in it.
Check out the new A1200 cases here: A1200.net (they are sold out again at most places it seems...)
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UPDATE: A1200.net commented on this video and provided a list of suppliers:
"Dear All,
There's still cases available from retailers below, but stock is flying rapidly.
US:
AmigaOnTheLake
amigaonthelake.com/new-amiga-a1200-case/
UK:
Amiga Kit
amigakit.amiga.store/product_info.php?products_id=843
GERMANY:
Alinea Computer
www.amiga-shop.net/Amiga-Hardware/Amiga-Gehaeuse/Brandneue-Amiga-1200-Gehaeuse::857.html
Other distributors are Out of Stock."
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Davide Bucci did an interesting writeup on his experience with retrobriting (and restoring) his VIC-20 a while ago. There's a lot of additional information in there stating that the widespread theory about bromide causing the yellowing might actually be wrong: davbucci.chez-alice.fr/index.php?argument=varie/vic20restoration/vic20.inc&language=English#retr0bright
There's some additional info in the comments section about re-yellowing and de-yellowing.
The music during timelapses is "8-bit wannabe" by Focus 10/Øystein Hansen. Used with kind permission.
Check out his other tracks here: soundcloud.com/user-993847645
The music on the endscreen is a little loop I created myself.
The intro jingle is from the C64 version of the game "Flip and Flop". Recorded from a real (slightly broken) SID.
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Commenti

  1. Winston Smith
    Winston Smith
    2 anni fa

    Site with many photos of examples: *Retr0Bright (or RetroBright) treated plastics re-yellowing even with minimal light exposure* www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2013-01-15-retr0bright-only-temporary.htm _From discussion and reflection a hypothesis has developed which seems to fit the evidence:_ _The original damage from light causes degraded or free bromides throughout the case from the fire retardants. Retr0Bright only takes these away from the surface layer. However these bromides can migrate fairly freely through the polymer. They don't need light to do this. Migration is probably accelerated in hot conditions. These pre-existing bromines from the original damage migrate to the top and within a few years the surface is yellowed again. The rate of the regression depends on the inital extent of yellowing (the more yellowed, the more bromides down deep), heat exposure and the nature/quality of the plastics._ _If this hypothesis is correct then a UV sealant will not protect the case. Or any sealant maybe. Unless pre-formed bromides from previous light damage can be stopped from migrating to the surface (and I don't know how you would do that) Retr0Bright is only ever going to be temporary._

    1. Michael Burgwin
      Michael Burgwin
      2 anni fa

      The misinformation about what causes the yellowing and what retrobrite does is absolutely staggering! It's a good example of how quickly misinformation can spread, unbridled, on many topics. One of the problems in this realm is that too many people seem to rely on their own just-so explanations for observed phenomena and then spread it in excitement, and then it becomes "true"; A good example of this is the claim that the yellowing is caused by the added brominated flame retardants, which is silly. it was a "just so" explanation provided with a bunch of chemical gibberish with the "formulation" of retrobrite, which is literally just hydrogen peroxide. The yellowing is a breakdown of the polymer and it will occur regardless. The butadiene chain of the polymer will oxidize when exposed to UV light. This causes yellowing because the breakdown results in Carbonyl radicals which form compounds which give the yellow discolouration. This has been known effectively since ABS plastic were first developed which is why plastics include UV Absorber, stabiliser, or blocker to slow down the reaction for consumer use of the plastic. "retrobrite" removes the yellowing because it is simply hydrogen peroxide, which is a strong chemical oxidizer. It catalyses oxidization of the carbonyl compounds into simpler, colourless compounds. The yellowing returns more aggressively after treatment with "retrobrite" because the oxidizer will also destroy most of the remaining UV stabiliser, absorber, or blocker compounds in the plastic. It's also not unheard of for certain UV Stabilisers, blockers, and absorbers to themselves react with the UV light in a way that causes discolouration. That might seem to defeat the purpose, but they are added with the intent of preserving the strength of the polymer, rather than the cosmetic appearance. (The butadiene polymer breaking down is why older, yellowed plastics become brittle over time, since there are much shorter polymer chains)

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I think the above applies more to the re-yellowing after retrobright than to the initial yellowing.

    3. Arne Schmitz
      Arne Schmitz
      2 anni fa

      But what about the white, non yellowed parts of the case that were obscured, e.g. the inside of the case? That would suggest a sizable influence of UV light to all of this...

    4. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Thanks for the information! I pinned your comment for future reference. :)

  2. XXX XXX
    XXX XXX
    4 mesi fa

    If you spray satin clear laquer with uv blocker it prevents the yellowing from coming back but both, preventing oxygen reaching the plastic and preventing UV reaching the plastic.

  3. Hans Campbell
    Hans Campbell
    6 mesi fa

    Jan, remove that Teac (PC) disk drive and install a Chinon disk drive. The Chinon drive will fit that case better and you can install that clear eject button. The correct Chinon drive are the ones found in the Amiga 4000 computers. Some of the drives are Commodore High Density drives. You have to remember there are two versions of the Amiga 1200 computer. The early Amiga 1200 computers were made by Commodore and are better made. The "Escom" Amiga 1200 computers are crap. The cases are also slightly different. That clear case appears to have been molded from the original Commodore Amiga 1200 case molds, not the crappy Escom Amiga 1200 case molds (yes there is a difference). The Chinon disk drive is a better quality drive than the Teac disk drive. Also, Chinon drives can read and write to track 85, Teac drives can only read and write to track 82. This is the main reason why some games will not load on a Teac drive. Some copy protection goes past track 82.

  4. Evil Diesel
    Evil Diesel
    8 mesi fa

    "Made in China" - don't expect it to last too long so!

    1. Evil Diesel
      Evil Diesel
      8 mesi fa

      @Jan Beta ha ha salty! Made in Germany fwiw

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      8 mesi fa

      Made in China like whatever device you are typing this on.

  5. tjlazer71
    tjlazer71
    Anno fa

    8:49 I didn't know AmigaKit made 1200 cases! Cool!

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      Anno fa

      Oh, they are produced by A1200.net but sold through various Amiga resellers.

  6. Michael Jensen
    Michael Jensen
    Anno fa

    I backed the Amiga 500 case kick starter a year ago and I'm still waiting. I have no doubt they'll get it out eventually, but the wait is pretty rough...

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      Anno fa

      Yeah, I'm still waiting on the key caps from the second campaign, too. I trust they are going to come through eventually.

  7. Getting Past
    Getting Past
    Anno fa

    You don't need UV light for retrobrite. You only need heat. UV is a myth! The original case looked great

  8. Jamie
    Jamie
    Anno fa

    A lot of people leave the RF shield off due to modification and say it doesn't emit much RF. What about the RF these days that can now be introduced into the amiga circuitry? Does, or can this matter?

    1. Jamie
      Jamie
      Anno fa

      @Jan Beta Thanks for the explanation Jan. I was wondering about that for a while now.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      Anno fa

      Very unlikely, the frequencies at which the old systems operate are much lower than most of the RF that is used by modern devices. Plus, the shielding was mostly introduced to comply with FCC rules in the first place (so to shield the outside world).

  9. Ashley Williams
    Ashley Williams
    Anno fa

    Do you have LED lights? They don't emit UV. I would hope using them would help minimize re-yellowing. I know I have them, but currently I don't have any old electronics. I plan on getting a C64 though soon.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      Anno fa

      Yes, I mostly have LED lights. I think yellowing is way more complex though. Search for "lightbrighting" and you will see what I mean. Actually UV seems to prevent/revert yellowing in some cases...

  10. SuperVstech
    SuperVstech
    2 anni fa

    To use the dvi output cable standoffs you could get 2 small washers...

  11. SuperVstech
    SuperVstech
    2 anni fa

    Signed inside "just like the original... macintoshes are" What the hell man? Just like the original Amiga is!

  12. Peter Bölke
    Peter Bölke
    2 anni fa

    Wusste garnicht, dass es Luftkämpfe bei Wing Commander gab? War doch alles im Weltraum :D

  13. James Lewis
    James Lewis
    2 anni fa

    That clear case looks to me like it is begging for some LED's to shine through it.

  14. MR10
    MR10
    2 anni fa

    cool choice on the case!

  15. Mauro Sanna
    Mauro Sanna
    2 anni fa

    Hi Jan, sorry if I am a bit late on this video (awesome one by the way, and I have one of those cases too, a black one). I would like to ask you a question about the Indivision AGA (which I have as well): is there a particular reason why you did not use the yellow ground wire provided with the card? Also, have you experienced any kind of glitches, or video interference at all (stripes while moving the windows and browsing the menus)? Things that go away after few minutes I mean? Thanks a lot for any answers you can give me! :-)

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      No worries, I'm late to answer, too... ;P As far as I know (if I remember correctly it says in the manual, too), the ground wire is only needed in certain conditions and for certain mainboard revs. If you don't get any weird effects without it, it is fine to leave it out. Doesn't hurt to connect it either. I have pristine video when connected via DVI but I had vertical stripes when I used a VGA monitor (through an DVI-VGA adapter plug). I couldn't resolve the issue but it doesn't matter much in my setup where it is constantly connected to a DVI monitor.

  16. LastofAvari
    LastofAvari
    2 anni fa

    Twelve Hundred of Pure Awesomeness! #AMIGAAA :)

  17. Rolf Boesiger
    Rolf Boesiger
    2 anni fa

    Have the same Problem with the VDI connector and the Floppy. Any solution now?

  18. Remeo Spes
    Remeo Spes
    2 anni fa

    Might be able to find some thin washers that will work, so you can use the regular DVI anchors.

  19. Holl Go
    Holl Go
    2 anni fa

    Now sou just Need to ad some RGB Lighting to your transparent Case to makes the 1200 makes Shine ja night 😁

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Maybe I'll add something like that in the future. Would be nice to have the keys light up at least. ;)

  20. bwack
    bwack
    2 anni fa

    Amiga Rules ! Cool case. I haven't played with the amiga since the 2000s, except when recapping last year. I loved the A1200 the most of all the Commodore computers.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Definitely an amazing system! I was using my Amiga as late as 1997, when I finally succumbed to the PC world because of Microsoft Office being standard. And also things like DOOM and Day of the Tentacle. ;)

  21. rifter rifter
    rifter rifter
    2 anni fa

    It seems to me the liquid retrobright method is better just because it isn't as likely to cause marbling effects. I noticed Perifractic was able to work wonders in rehabilitating broken plastic parts using careful application of his soldering iron to the plastic to weld it back together. Maybe the problem with the DVI connector could be fixed with some wire clamps affixed to the screws. Like some wire that could clamp on the monitor plug. Not an expert here, but that is my $0.02US

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I'd definitely recommend the liquid method for darker parts. The bright parts I did all turned out really nicely using the cream peroxide. Yeah, wire clamps might do the trick. Will try some workarounds for the problem. Thanks for the idea!

  22. Alejandro Rodolfo Mendez
    Alejandro Rodolfo Mendez
    2 anni fa

    those cases got the potential for making an amiga from scratch, or even for reusing spare parts. sadly in this part of the world there is only PC clones. greetings from argentina. great video.

  23. MindFlareRetro
    MindFlareRetro
    2 anni fa

    I'm very late commenting again. :( The new case looks great (well, even though it's transparent). The case of my original A1200 is in excellent condition, thankfully, but the keys are every shade of yellow. I would love to get my hand on the new keycaps, as well, if and when they show up.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I hope they do it the same way they did with the cases and make at least some available to the general public instead of only selling to Kickstarter (or Indiegogo) supporters...

  24. R-C-MAN
    R-C-MAN
    2 anni fa

    Jan this is why I ordered an A1500 Checkmate case for my 1200. I ordered a black one, should be nice when done. Hope the Kickstarter goes through. kck.st/2MChwM4

  25. Mr. SEA
    Mr. SEA
    2 anni fa

    I was going to retrobrite several of my vintage machines, but think the retrobriting, as you have shown, does not last long...in fact, it may accelerate the process, for it took decades to yellow as it was. Perhaps retrobrite again followed with a clear coat that has UV protection? This I may try, or simply keep my precious machines natural. However, I have purchased 2 brand new A500 cases via Indiegogo that I should see next year. I also ordered the Amiga 1500 case that is currently going through a Kickstarter campaign...it may be the way to go, for the Kickstarter A1500 cases will work with A600, A500, A1200, etc...cheers.

  26. Sjarken
    Sjarken
    2 anni fa

    Thats one amazing machine right there, wish i had one like it.

  27. 10 Minute Amiga Retro Cast
    10 Minute Amiga Retro Cast
    2 anni fa

    Clever new case! By some miracle my A1200 case never changed colors - it looks the same as when I got it. My A500 case, though, looks terrible!

  28. Shadows of Life
    Shadows of Life
    2 anni fa

    I think the new case looks cool, Jan! I’ve never had an Amiga (though I had a VIC-20 and a Commodore 64C which I used for making music), but I’ve enjoyed your videos on all things Commodore. 😉 Have you done videos on the accelerator and add-on graphics cards you have in this Amiga? I haven’t seen them listed anywhere, if you have. Keep up the good work! 😊 Steve

  29. Bruce Fox
    Bruce Fox
    2 anni fa

    Hi Jan, Possibility using '303 Protectant' may delay yellowing post Retr0brite as Adrian Black has been doing. [Edit: Hmm this may be a moot point based on Winston Smith post above...]

  30. Andrey
    Andrey
    2 anni fa

    Great case and good job! Jan, which ESD protection set you work? Cheers

  31. Tommy Ovesen
    Tommy Ovesen
    2 anni fa

    Hi Jan! I love your videos. I have two C64 that are not working. They look fine, but no video output. Are you up for a challenge to fix them? Thanks for your videos.

  32. Dkentflyer
    Dkentflyer
    2 anni fa

    Looks awesome Jan, bit worrying that you had a lot of fiddling to get the disk drive to fit but glad you sorted it :)

  33. Father Grigori
    Father Grigori
    2 anni fa

    right on bud. thats a nicely made case. especially like the signatures like on the innards of the A1000! you need to do something about those caps man.

  34. thecount25
    thecount25
    2 anni fa

    By the way it isn't that expensive to have this made in Canada.

  35. Amiga Wolf
    Amiga Wolf
    2 anni fa

    21:46 "Show you the sound" What you show us the sound, wow that's crazy ;-) I love your video's, great to see a Amiga computer again, wish i had never sold my Phase5 Blizzard PPC / 603e Plus with 240MHz PPC and 68040 25MHz + PPC 240 ~ 64MB and CyberVision PPC cards :-(

  36. brostenen
    brostenen
    2 anni fa

    So... Retrobright eats away, a tiny bit of plastic? I am thinking that 10 times retrobright and the plastic being too brittle anyway. Makes a good talking point for doing funky spray colours? Like an bright orange a500 or an dark grey a600.

    1. brostenen
      brostenen
      2 anni fa

      @Jan Beta If people use a nylon sponge that are usually for scrubbing pots and pans, then it might take of some material. Indeed. I can see why retrobright might be good for really light yellowing cases. Though extremely yellow, like in the colour of dark piss (pardon my language), then to me, a spraypaint is the only way. Just choose some nice colour. Like those dusty kind of green or blue. The ones used on 78/84 computer's. They look like a kind of millitaery green or blue of some sort.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I've recently seen pictures of surfaces from retrobrighted cases and they were indeed a little roughed up compared to before retrobrighting. It was a very minor effect and it might as well have something to do with cleaning and scrubbing the case before treatment. Before seeing the pics I would have thought the rerobrighting didn't affect the plastics structure at all. More investigation definitely needed.

    3. brostenen
      brostenen
      2 anni fa

      @Daniël Mantione Just think I heard Jan talk about tiny bit being eaten away.

    4. Daniël Mantione
      Daniël Mantione
      2 anni fa

      How good for the plastic Retr0bright is, is still open for debate, but it doesn't eat away plastic. The hydrogen peroxide interacts with the bromides in the plastic, not with the ABS polymers.

  37. CP200S
    CP200S
    2 anni fa

    21:04 Only the man who likes to live dangerously leaves joysticks on the chair.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Haha, or the man who constantly swaps joysticks and has no room for storing them. ;) At least I didn't leave it on the floor this time...

  38. A1200 NET
    A1200 NET
    2 anni fa

    Hi Jan, Thank you for this awesome review ;) Cheers

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Thank YOU for making these cases become a reality. :D

  39. oiSnowy
    oiSnowy
    2 anni fa

    Just wanted to say a translucent case with dark translucent keys sounds totally awesome.

  40. douro20
    douro20
    2 anni fa

    Is it PC or Tritan?

  41. olepigeon
    olepigeon
    2 anni fa

    I never use the creme method. I've tried it many times, and I never get reliably even brightening. At worse it looks marbled. I tried humidifiers, plastic wrap, spray bottles, etc. Nothing worked. The best method is to just get yourself some cheap H2O2 and fill a bucket. Use some UV lamps or leave outside. Even if it's diluted, it works better than the creme. For small pieces like key caps, fill a zip lock bag with H2O2 and put the keys in. Again, leave in the sun or under UV lamp. Always do submersion method if you want even brightening.

  42. Diego Budavari
    Diego Budavari
    2 anni fa

    Not sure if i prefer the “lips” or the “sun” 😃

  43. tappel01
    tappel01
    2 anni fa

    Die "Farbe" ist fürchterlich. Warum?^^

  44. Oli K
    Oli K
    2 anni fa

    I have a modern white usb-keyboard (Acer-about 10 years old) and it has gone straight up orange- every key has another shade of orange though... going for dark stuff from now on

  45. Tails64DS NT Channel
    Tails64DS NT Channel
    2 anni fa

    that's unfortunate :/ 90% of the stuff i retrobrited still look nice, maybe that's because i use UV protector on my windows and i use LED lighting.. DAMN BROMINE! Streaks on plastic is a common issue, on keys and small objects i like to use liquid clear hair developer and that has not given me any problems. replacements cases are neat! Really looking foward to get one for my Amiga 500, Traslucent tangerine whould be my choice

  46. Greg Cooper
    Greg Cooper
    2 anni fa

    Jan, you should use some 303 UV protectant on that 1200. www.amazon.de/303-Aerospace-Protectant-Trigger-Products/dp/B01LWDYNX0/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1536921197&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=303+protectant&psc=1

  47. Video Sechs
    Video Sechs
    2 anni fa

    Ich persönlich finde das durchsichtige Gehäuse nicht gut. Aber die Geschmäcker sind ja zum Glück verschiedenen. Das Geld hätte ich mir gespart und es weiss lackieren lassen dir Brüche hätte ich vorher repariert Meine Amiga Flotte wartet auch auf Reparatur derzeit läuft nur in ein 500er ein 1200er ein CDTV und ein noch komplett originaler CD32 wo die Elkos mal gemacht werden müssen.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Ein bisschen spielt bei mir auch immer die Entscheidung mit, was ich in den Videos gut zeigen kann. Diese neuen Cases sind natürlich interessant für viele Leute. Würde ich keine Videos machen, hätte ich vermutlich eher das Originalgehäuse behalten.

  48. svenpetersen1965
    svenpetersen1965
    2 anni fa

    Oh, Du hast einen neuen Tischbelag. Ich hatte Dir via FB eine als Spende angeboten... na, denn mache ich sie auf meinen Tisch :-)

    1. svenpetersen1965
      svenpetersen1965
      2 anni fa

      Ja, kein Problem. Mein alter Tischbelagt hatte etwas gelitten. Da waren schon Schnitte drin und mein Sohn hatte sich dort auch schon verewigt. Ich hatte zwei bestellt, weil ich ja einmal geschrieben habe, dass es nicht schaden könnte, wenn Du Deine Schneidunterlage gegen eine ESD-Unterlage tauschen würdest. Ich habe zwei Werktische, die Matte muss ich nicht unter das Bett legen :-))) Wenn ich einmal wieder etwas Sinnvolles übrig habe, dann melde ich mich. Ich schreibe Dir in die Kommentare, wenn ich Dir eine FB Message geschrieben habe :-)

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Oh, entschuldige! Ich schaue gerade so gut wie nie in meine Facebook-Nachrichten. Habe die Seite größtenteils als Spiegel meines Twitteraccounts eingerichtet. Hoffe, du kannst das Teil auch selbst gehrauchen.

  49. Kim Le Brocqu
    Kim Le Brocqu
    2 anni fa

    Love the case Jan 😁 great vlog once again .....Kim.......

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Thanks Kim! Hope I can get hold of some matching keycaps soon.

  50. Fredrik Rambris
    Fredrik Rambris
    2 anni fa

    OMG Translucent smokey keycaps will be amazing. I also liked the iMacs. Orange, Pink and Cyan colors were nice too.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Definitely! I hope I can get them when they become available.

  51. Andy Garton
    Andy Garton
    2 anni fa

    Cases no longer available?

    1. A1200 NET
      A1200 NET
      2 anni fa

      Please see our reply to DiscoHR. Some cases are still available from AmigaOnTheLake, AmigaKit and Alinea Computer. Thanks.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      It was a very limited number so it might very well be they sold out already. I think they are planning on doing another run but who knows when... :/

  52. Christian H.
    Christian H.
    2 anni fa

    Sehr schönes Gehäuse , ich finde du solltest ein RGB Light mit einbauen (Schaltbar) , das wäre bei vollkommener Dunkelheit , ein Krasser hinkucker . Schönes Video wie immer . Grüsse ausm Saarland :)

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Vielen Dank! Wäre eine Überlegung wert. Ich denke gerade mehr in Richtung beleuchtete Tasten... ;)

  53. azaria yehezkel
    azaria yehezkel
    2 anni fa

    waste of money. :-( Just original. Jan you must be original like commodore, on yours life . not a replican man

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      It’s a matter of taste I guess. Usually I’m keeping stuff original, too.

  54. DAVID GREGORY KERR
    DAVID GREGORY KERR
    2 anni fa

    Just Wonder if it is possible to use a SCSI2SATA LVD to allow the use of a 100TB SSD drive

  55. Marco Both
    Marco Both
    2 anni fa

    Deinen Indivision musst du aber wohl noch mal richtig konfigurieren. Dann hast du auch Vollbild.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Ich nutze gerade parallel den CRT Monitor und den Flachbildschirm am Amiga. Die Einstellung ist im Moment eher auf die Röhre angepasst. ;)

  56. discoHR
    discoHR
    2 anni fa

    Get black keys with it, it will look amazing. My A500/500+ retrobrighted a year ago also yellowed by now. Keys not so much but the cases...

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      That’s the plan. Although I saw on the website that translucent keys will look almost black because the plastic beneath is black. :)

  57. discoHR
    discoHR
    2 anni fa

    Where did you buy the case? There are none on A1200.net's webshop, their distributors also don't have the new cases... Confusing.

    1. A1200 NET
      A1200 NET
      2 anni fa

      Dear All, There's still cases available from retailers below, but stock is flying rapidly. >US: AmigaOnTheLake amigaonthelake.com/new-amiga-a1200-case/ >UK: Amiga Kit amigakit.amiga.store/product_info.php?products_id=843 >GERMANY: Alinea Computer www.amiga-shop.net/Amiga-Hardware/Amiga-Gehaeuse/Brandneue-Amiga-1200-Gehaeuse::857.html Other distributors are Out of Stock.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      There’s a couple of distributors all over the world. I assumed there would be a list somewhere. Might well be most are sold out by now as it was a very limited number I think. :/

    3. EXITMUSIC2011
      EXITMUSIC2011
      2 anni fa

      £110 To buy and ship to UK!

    4. Jamie Krueger
      Jamie Krueger
      2 anni fa

      www.amigaonthelake.com still has plenty in stock, and they ship world wide.

    5. EXITMUSIC2011
      EXITMUSIC2011
      2 anni fa

      It seems it's just impossible to buy these cases. Sell out instantly.

  58. William Gottlieb
    William Gottlieb
    2 anni fa

    Nobody is going to disagree with your color choice because you didn't choose any color!

    1. Markchill2
      Markchill2
      2 anni fa

      lol

  59. FRAG aLOT
    FRAG aLOT
    2 anni fa

    you can use a standard mouse on an Amiga?

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I‘m using a TOM2 USB adapter. Work very well for various old systems and with many USB mouses. :)

  60. Ali Kattan
    Ali Kattan
    2 anni fa

    Great video .. I really wanted to see one of those cases in action

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Thanks! That’s why I got one of those in the first place.

  61. [Vampira Sweden]
    [Vampira Sweden]
    2 anni fa

    Awsome! I realy agree with that it had looked realy good with dark transparent buttons too.

  62. DerMartexus
    DerMartexus
    2 anni fa

    Very bad taste, but it's better to buy a new case, than destroying an original one. ;) Remember the black and golden sprayed ones...

    1. DerMartexus
      DerMartexus
      2 anni fa

      I think, that nobody is every going to restore them. Who would buy an Amiga with a messy rubbed off layer of extra paint? What does the machine look like inside when the outside is already a mess? That's what I think when I see them. Very sad stories. ;)

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Yeah, there’s a lot of bad paint jobs out there for sure. :/

  63. esseferio
    esseferio
    2 anni fa

    Not necessarily my go to choice of color: But it still amazes me that something like this exists: Qlways nice to see that these old puppies still receive some love :) Thanks, Jan!

    1. Sjarken
      Sjarken
      2 anni fa

      I did like that transparent case, i also like the blue one.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Thanks! It’s a matter of taste obviously. I love the fact they made so many colors of the cases (at least for Kickstarter supporters).

  64. Ed Doyle
    Ed Doyle
    2 anni fa

    I'd replace the case and keys on my C128 to keep it from yellowing... But I heard the molds went missing so they can't reproduce the C128 case :(

    1. Daniël Mantione
      Daniël Mantione
      2 anni fa

      Well, the original moulds of the C128 were found along side with the C64 ones. However, it was reported that they were in lesser condition and I guess it also counts that the market for C64 new cases is much bigger, warranting the costs to refurbish them. Nevertheless, many people underestimate the C128 and think of it as a failed machine. While it had its problems with lack of native software, over 6 million of them were sold, which is far from a failure. There are quite a few C128 machines out there.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I think the A1200 cases were recreated almost from scratch, too. There may be hope for the C128!

  65. Joe Slayer
    Joe Slayer
    2 anni fa

    How about anti-UV film on windows glass? Does it save from yellowing ABS-plastic?

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I just pinned a comment with some info on that. It seems not to prevent the yellowing.

  66. malcolm campbell
    malcolm campbell
    2 anni fa

    Get the old one dip wrapped after fixing the crack it will never yellow again...

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I might still do that. I got the new case mostly out of interest (also to show other interested people) in the first place.

  67. Kcin Platinum Gaming
    Kcin Platinum Gaming
    2 anni fa

    what would be good is if the dark keys also light up slightly too and could be turned off and on, then a custom mouse that matched :D realms of I MACS lol

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Haha, that would be amazing! :)

  68. Todd's Nerd Cave
    Todd's Nerd Cave
    2 anni fa

    Case looks great! It's amazing that we can now buy new 1200 cases, drive LEDS and reproduction DIY motherboards. Now we just need new complete keyboards and you can almost build an A1200 completely from parts!

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Yeah, it is absolutely amazing! Who would have thought (hoped for) this to happen back in the 90s?

    2. Morgan Mixer
      Morgan Mixer
      2 anni fa

      That's fantastic then!

    3. Walther Stolzing
      Walther Stolzing
      2 anni fa

      This fellow in Denmark produces a kit, in small quantities: www.breadbox64.com/mods-for-sale/mechboard64/ - I believe Individual Computers also wishes to make keyboards eventually (not sure where I saw/heard this; could have been an interview with Jens Schönfeld).

    4. Morgan Mixer
      Morgan Mixer
      2 anni fa

      I'm actually surprised nobody has made a keyboard circuitboard for commodore products. There's so many custom keyboard PCBs on the market now, you'd think replacement boards for these would be a no brainer.

    5. Walther Stolzing
      Walther Stolzing
      2 anni fa

      Yeah I'm really looking forward to icomp.de's 'A1200 Reloaded'.

  69. michiel van de wijgaart
    michiel van de wijgaart
    2 anni fa

    Great, as you said address the keys because they don’t look smart on this case

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Absolutely! I hope I can get some when they make them available.

  70. Skauber
    Skauber
    2 anni fa

    Did you have any issues with using ceramic capacitors rather than the electrolytic capacitors? If it works fine, might be a safer bet to prevent any more issues with leaks.

    1. Daniël Mantione
      Daniël Mantione
      2 anni fa

      If I do recaps (and it is not standard practice for me for Commodore hardware), I replace small elcos with small ceramic capacitors, because they are much more durable. We want the machines to last as long as possible, after all.

    2. Skauber
      Skauber
      2 anni fa

      Cool! That is very interesting to know. ceramic caps are somewhat fragile yes, but once they're soldered in I don't think there's any danger of them getting physically damaged. Just have to be careful when soldering, not apply too much heat for too long and such.

    3. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      No issues at all. In fact, I talked to some far more professional folks than me about it in the meantime. None of them saw any potential problems with the ceramics electronically. The only thing that could go wrong is they get damaged (by heat or mechanically) during soldering them in and burn some time later as a result. These multi layer ceramics seem to be pretty fragile.

  71. SaintKaede
    SaintKaede
    2 anni fa

    Ich liebe diesen klaren Fall, und ich stimme zu, dass die schwarzen Tasten eine großartige Kombination dazu sein würden. Liebe deine Videos übrigens. (Sorry about my German I wanted to try it as I'm in the process of learning it)

    1. SaintKaede
      SaintKaede
      2 anni fa

      @Jan Beta Danke, ich kann nicht auf den nächsten warten.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Very good German indeed! Ich hoffe, ich kann die Tasten bekommen, sobald sie frei erhältlich sind. :)

  72. Julius Heide
    Julius Heide
    2 anni fa

    I don't like it,looks like some strange ice keyboard. And yes i do have one A1200 myself..I like my old machines to look old.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      It’s a matter of taste obviously. Usually I prefer the original look, too.

  73. RDJ 134
    RDJ 134
    2 anni fa

    Awesome as always, realy enjoyed this video :)

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Thank you! :)

  74. Coleção Nintendo
    Coleção Nintendo
    2 anni fa

    Like ! coffee and Jan Beta ! time for lunch! enjoy!

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Hope you enjoyed both. :)

  75. SamEricEdge
    SamEricEdge
    2 anni fa

    I was kind of prepared to hate on the translucent case, but turns out it looks rad!

    1. SamEricEdge
      SamEricEdge
      2 anni fa

      @Jan Beta yeah the yellowed keys and the case are a bit of a juxtaposition. Black keys would also look nice I reckon.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I hope it will look even better with matching keys. :)

  76. onehappynegro
    onehappynegro
    2 anni fa

    the yellowing is such a strange thing, i have around 15 commodore c64 and 3 of them have yellowing the other are clear. 1 commdore 128 with yellowing and another one without yellowing. i discuessed this with other people and they think it's because of the different production plants.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Yeah, I’d also think that it’s because of different mixes of plastic. There’s a lot of C64/C128s where the keyboard has a checkerboard pattern where some keys yellowed more than others, too.

  77. Doktor64
    Doktor64
    2 anni fa

    YES, dark lucent keys would look great! By the way, don't retrobright your retro computer like I did ... itsuns.info/rock/n6yyiWN6gW6Di4I/video See you, your Doktor64! ;-)

  78. Brett Bensley
    Brett Bensley
    2 anni fa

    try coating it with Meguiar's G17804 after retrobrite and see if it helps. the computers need a UV protective coating after retrobrite.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Just pinned a comment with some research results that came to the conclusion it’s not only UV that causes the yellowing.

    2. onehappynegro
      onehappynegro
      2 anni fa

      my c128 was never exposed to UV yet it got yellowing on it. the other donated c128 has no yellowing at all.

  79. Dave's Game Room
    Dave's Game Room
    2 anni fa

    You forgot the A1200 Badge :) Awesome video! I am half tempted to treat my A1200 to a new set of Key Caps and a replacement case from these guys.

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      I’ll choose a new badge soon. I wanted to keep the original one on the original case. ;)

  80. DOSBoxMom
    DOSBoxMom
    2 anni fa

    That Wing Commander intro movie on the Amiga 1200 brought back memories of my husband attempting to play that game on the PC back in the day. At the time the PC (MS-DOS?) version was released, I remember very few home computers were capable of meeting its quite demanding (for the time) hardware requirements. (I suspect quite a few PC gamers at the time decided it was time to either have upgrades installed on their existing computers or just spring for a new computer -- my spouse included!)

    1. DOSBoxMom
      DOSBoxMom
      2 anni fa

      We had owned an A500 ourselves for some years, but I'm not sure if we still had it by the time Wing Commander was released. The Amiga was always more my spouse's computer than mine -- something I regret now, as the SSI "Gold Box" CRPGs I played so much on the C64, I've learned since (from watching ITsuns videos in recent years) looked and sounded even better on the Amiga.

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Yes, I think Wing Commander was pretty demanding as it used Voxel instead of Vector graphics. Better suited for the Amiga‘s graphics hardware. Although it played really sluggish on unaccelerated Amigas (I played it on an A500 originally).

  81. Dermot Sweeney
    Dermot Sweeney
    2 anni fa

    Very Cool Jan. Can't wait to see it with the new keys. Was looking at the A500 cases but can't afford it :)

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Yeah, that stuff‘s expensive unfortunately. :(

  82. GadgetUK164 - Retro Gaming Repairs & Mods
    GadgetUK164 - Retro Gaming Repairs & Mods
    2 anni fa

    Looks fantastic that new case!!!

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Thanks Chris! I so hope I can get some keycaps when they become available. :)

  83. rednight
    rednight
    2 anni fa

    only retrobright things are rather extreme in the yellowing. I don't mind an old machine looking a bit old.

  84. Ti Ger
    Ti Ger
    2 anni fa

    I have retrobrighted an A1200 case and some other stuff. Even I like the result of my retrobright I can't recommend it to anyone because it's necessary with a really good ventilation else it's a big risk to get skin problem.

    1. Ti Ger
      Ti Ger
      2 anni fa

      @Jan Beta, hydroperoxide is good and bad. It depends on concentration. Less concentration great for spa, cleaning toilets, wounds etc. Higher concentration destroys tissue, bad for skin, explosive, great for bleaching paper etc. I become very dry in my skin because of the gas. But great for my lungs and resisting colds ^^

    2. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      How is retrobrighting risky for your skin other than if you touch the peroxide? Arguably it’s bad for your lungs but I don’t think there are any gases dangerous to skin?

  85. Allan Ø.N.
    Allan Ø.N.
    2 anni fa

    Another great video :-).. end result is nice. :-) @2:00.. marbleling effect hard for me to spot on the 1080p video.. am I the only one? (the 2 keys looks a bit brighter though - like the scrl lock, F8, and left shift do)

  86. Paul Chambers
    Paul Chambers
    2 anni fa

    An Amiga day today :D have you seen the Checkmate Amiga/PC compatible case on Kickstarter? Based on the Amiga 3000

    1. Jan Beta
      Jan Beta
      2 anni fa

      Yes, I’m watching that pretty closely. It’s a very interesting idea. And amazing that stuff like that happens in 2018!